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		<title>By: Mindy McAdams</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/aussie-daily-rocks-with-slideshows/comment-page-1/#comment-2286</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy McAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I do understand that the current metric used to measure audience traffic or usage is the pageview. I&#039;m just saying what many others have been saying -- especially in the past few months, as Ajax techniques become more common (and also kill pageviews). That is, the current way we measure is not the best way.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Say I go to site &quot;A&quot; and view eight pages, but I never stay on one page longer than 2 seconds (because I don&#039;t see anything that interests me). I go to site &quot;B&quot; and view only two pages, but I spend 8 minutes on each page.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The current system says site &quot;A&quot; is better, more trafficked.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I say that&#039;s just stupid, because on site &quot;A,&quot; I consumed no content or advertising.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do understand that the current metric used to measure audience traffic or usage is the pageview. I&#8217;m just saying what many others have been saying &#8212; especially in the past few months, as Ajax techniques become more common (and also kill pageviews). That is, the current way we measure is not the best way.</p>
<p>Say I go to site &#8220;A&#8221; and view eight pages, but I never stay on one page longer than 2 seconds (because I don&#8217;t see anything that interests me). I go to site &#8220;B&#8221; and view only two pages, but I spend 8 minutes on each page.</p>
<p>The current system says site &#8220;A&#8221; is better, more trafficked.</p>
<p>I say that&#8217;s just stupid, because on site &#8220;A,&#8221; I consumed no content or advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Perdue</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/aussie-daily-rocks-with-slideshows/comment-page-1/#comment-2285</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Perdue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mindy,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I understand your concern; I also do not necessarily agree that trying to count how many photos are viewed is in any way dishonest.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;While time spent on a Web site is an important metric - and Soundslide presentations do greatly lengthen that stay - publishers and advertisers want to know about page views. That&#039;s how they measure success.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The photographers at our midsized daily watch the traffic, and when they work on a slideshow presentation for hours and end up with just a few hundred page views for their efforts, that is discouraging. I point out to them the average time a user spends on the page watching the show and also tell them they should multiply the page views by the number of photos in the slideshow to get a true sense of the traffic.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yet they look at the numbers for the slideshow vs. the page views for a traditional click-and-watch HTML photo gallery and wince.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We are not talking about artificial inflation. We are talking about accurately portraying the actual views our photos are getting in terms our publishers, advertisers and users can understand.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, we use both forms of photo presentations. Yes, we are working to do a better job of presenting the slideshows to increase traffic and get our visitors used to seeing them - and we&#039;re making headway in those areas.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But to compare the page views of a slideshow vs. a traditional HTML-based photo gallery is disheartening when that is the metric most important for monetizing our Web sites.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mindy,</p>
<p>I understand your concern; I also do not necessarily agree that trying to count how many photos are viewed is in any way dishonest.</p>
<p>While time spent on a Web site is an important metric &#8211; and Soundslide presentations do greatly lengthen that stay &#8211; publishers and advertisers want to know about page views. That&#8217;s how they measure success.</p>
<p>The photographers at our midsized daily watch the traffic, and when they work on a slideshow presentation for hours and end up with just a few hundred page views for their efforts, that is discouraging. I point out to them the average time a user spends on the page watching the show and also tell them they should multiply the page views by the number of photos in the slideshow to get a true sense of the traffic.</p>
<p>Yet they look at the numbers for the slideshow vs. the page views for a traditional click-and-watch HTML photo gallery and wince.</p>
<p>We are not talking about artificial inflation. We are talking about accurately portraying the actual views our photos are getting in terms our publishers, advertisers and users can understand.</p>
<p>So, we use both forms of photo presentations. Yes, we are working to do a better job of presenting the slideshows to increase traffic and get our visitors used to seeing them &#8211; and we&#8217;re making headway in those areas.</p>
<p>But to compare the page views of a slideshow vs. a traditional HTML-based photo gallery is disheartening when that is the metric most important for monetizing our Web sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Eirik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eirik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very interesting numbers, Andrew. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Having worked for your competitor, NEWS.com.au, with their first audio slideshows and later on their own advanced multimedia player, I&#039;m quite surprised that you don&#039;t count every image as a page view... &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It might be interesting to hear that up here in Norway we are considering a new metric along the lines of &quot;interactive content view&quot; , which will be used for content presented via Flash or Ajax. This way we won&#039;t mess with page views as a traditional core metric.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting numbers, Andrew. </p>
<p>Having worked for your competitor, NEWS.com.au, with their first audio slideshows and later on their own advanced multimedia player, I&#8217;m quite surprised that you don&#8217;t count every image as a page view&#8230; </p>
<p>It might be interesting to hear that up here in Norway we are considering a new metric along the lines of &#8220;interactive content view&#8221; , which will be used for content presented via Flash or Ajax. This way we won&#8217;t mess with page views as a traditional core metric.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy McAdams</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/aussie-daily-rocks-with-slideshows/comment-page-1/#comment-2283</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy McAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think TIME SPENT is a far more meaningful metric than these schemes to artificially multiply page views. The average time a reader spends on your Web site -- your whole site -- is less than one minute. (This is for all sites, not only news sites.) So how cool is it if you can get people to stay for two and a half minutes?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Rather than generating FAKE page views, I think newspapers should encourage the IT folks to honestly track time spent per visit -- and then promote those metrics.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just my two cents, of course. But I do feel a bit testy when I hear news people cooking up ways to inflate page views. It&#039;s dishonest!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think TIME SPENT is a far more meaningful metric than these schemes to artificially multiply page views. The average time a reader spends on your Web site &#8212; your whole site &#8212; is less than one minute. (This is for all sites, not only news sites.) So how cool is it if you can get people to stay for two and a half minutes?</p>
<p>Rather than generating FAKE page views, I think newspapers should encourage the IT folks to honestly track time spent per visit &#8212; and then promote those metrics.</p>
<p>Just my two cents, of course. But I do feel a bit testy when I hear news people cooking up ways to inflate page views. It&#8217;s dishonest!</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The numbers above are for the entire slideshow and I must pay respect to our multimedia editor Kimberley Porteous. Thanks for pageview per image info - that will be very useful! There has actually been some resistance to soundslides for the fact we record just a single click. Not any more. Thank you Joe Weiss &amp; Nathan &amp; of course Mindy.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The numbers above are for the entire slideshow and I must pay respect to our multimedia editor Kimberley Porteous. Thanks for pageview per image info &#8211; that will be very useful! There has actually been some resistance to soundslides for the fact we record just a single click. Not any more. Thank you Joe Weiss &#038; Nathan &#038; of course Mindy.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Clendenin</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/aussie-daily-rocks-with-slideshows/comment-page-1/#comment-2281</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Clendenin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Andy, &lt;br/&gt;You can do a pageview per image using this snippet:&lt;br/&gt;ss_listen = new Object();&lt;br/&gt;ss_listen.onImageChanged = function(image) {&lt;br/&gt; //call a page view&lt;br/&gt;}&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You must be using the component that SS offers. &lt;br/&gt;Check out: http://www2.soundslides.com/wiki/doku.php&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, <br />You can do a pageview per image using this snippet:<br />ss_listen = new Object();<br />ss_listen.onImageChanged = function(image) {<br /> //call a page view<br />}</p>
<p>You must be using the component that SS offers. <br />Check out: <a href="http://www2.soundslides.com/wiki/doku.php" rel="nofollow">http://www2.soundslides.com/wiki/doku.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy Perdue</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/aussie-daily-rocks-with-slideshows/comment-page-1/#comment-2280</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Perdue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Has Andrew figured out how to count page views for each photo viewed, or are these traffic numbers for the entire slideshow (one page view per total slideshow).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If he&#039;s done the former, I&#039;d like to know how. If it&#039;s the latter, I&#039;m deeply, deeply impressed.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Andrew figured out how to count page views for each photo viewed, or are these traffic numbers for the entire slideshow (one page view per total slideshow).</p>
<p>If he&#8217;s done the former, I&#8217;d like to know how. If it&#8217;s the latter, I&#8217;m deeply, deeply impressed.</p>
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