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	<description>Notes from the classroom and observations about today's practice of journalism online</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/job-outlook-for-journalism-graduates/#comment-11945</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@steve - Good question. Can a person with experience in a technical field translate that knowledge into a career as a writer? I think the answer is yes -- if you have an aptitude for writing and/or you like to read a lot. 

Technical writers are needed not only to write instruction manuals for products of all kinds, but also as journalists to write about a variety of industries. All industries have their own trade magazines and newspapers. Search Google for "technical writers."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@steve - Good question. Can a person with experience in a technical field translate that knowledge into a career as a writer? I think the answer is yes &#8212; if you have an aptitude for writing and/or you like to read a lot. </p>
<p>Technical writers are needed not only to write instruction manuals for products of all kinds, but also as journalists to write about a variety of industries. All industries have their own trade magazines and newspapers. Search Google for &#8220;technical writers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/job-outlook-for-journalism-graduates/#comment-11940</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have  a lot of expirence in the automotive profession. I am currently working my way through college as a auto tech. is it a realistic goal to go from auto tech to automotive writer. looking into a professional writing degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have  a lot of expirence in the automotive profession. I am currently working my way through college as a auto tech. is it a realistic goal to go from auto tech to automotive writer. looking into a professional writing degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Echt</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/job-outlook-for-journalism-graduates/#comment-10644</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Echt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 03:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto to all the above comments above.
I went to Kent State Univ. and graduated with a B.S. in journalism. I have a grasp of GSP and about 3-4 years of practical field experience. I got several job offers right away, but the best one was a $25k/yr salary.

But, as someone mentioned, $12.00/hr out of school isn't great--a Wendy's swing manager makes more, and a store manager much more. Actually, it's salaried, so I work about 55 hrs a week: 9a to about 10p some nights...so the actual net per hour figure is around $8-9/hr. Plus, when you take out takes, a $25k gross figure is about $17k net.

Granted, a $25k salary at a weekly is about $3k more than a weekly average and only $1k less than a daily starting salary, but still, that's not saying much.

What sucks is that I considered a career in automotive engineering/R&#38;D before the switch in high school. Now I'm living at home trying to save up money and look at switching careers. It's tough all over the board.

Meranda had a good point about the master's program at Kent State: Definitely not worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto to all the above comments above.<br />
I went to Kent State Univ. and graduated with a B.S. in journalism. I have a grasp of GSP and about 3-4 years of practical field experience. I got several job offers right away, but the best one was a $25k/yr salary.</p>
<p>But, as someone mentioned, $12.00/hr out of school isn&#8217;t great&#8211;a Wendy&#8217;s swing manager makes more, and a store manager much more. Actually, it&#8217;s salaried, so I work about 55 hrs a week: 9a to about 10p some nights&#8230;so the actual net per hour figure is around $8-9/hr. Plus, when you take out takes, a $25k gross figure is about $17k net.</p>
<p>Granted, a $25k salary at a weekly is about $3k more than a weekly average and only $1k less than a daily starting salary, but still, that&#8217;s not saying much.</p>
<p>What sucks is that I considered a career in automotive engineering/R&amp;D before the switch in high school. Now I&#8217;m living at home trying to save up money and look at switching careers. It&#8217;s tough all over the board.</p>
<p>Meranda had a good point about the master&#8217;s program at Kent State: Definitely not worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/job-outlook-for-journalism-graduates/#comment-6663</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science journalists might go on to write popular non-fiction books. A good example is &lt;a href="http://www.michaelpollan.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Michael Pollan&lt;/a&gt;, author of "The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals," which The New York Times named one of the 10 best books of 2006. 

You gain a wider audience as a science writer, as compared with someone who spends a career in the laboratory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science journalists might go on to write popular non-fiction books. A good example is <a href="http://www.michaelpollan.com/" rel="nofollow">Michael Pollan</a>, author of &#8220;The Omnivore&#8217;s Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals,&#8221; which The New York Times named one of the 10 best books of 2006. </p>
<p>You gain a wider audience as a science writer, as compared with someone who spends a career in the laboratory.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/job-outlook-for-journalism-graduates/#comment-6633</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Biochem major on the fence between a career in the sciences or journalism, I've wrestled for a long time with this type of data. On the surface, it seems hard to make the case for journalism.  Long hours and little pay; the rewards *have* to be the intangibles.  How many science-trained students are actually making the switch? And why do they do it?  

Personally, my first choice would be to make a career out of writing, but it's hard to see how to reconcile it with the need to provide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Biochem major on the fence between a career in the sciences or journalism, I&#8217;ve wrestled for a long time with this type of data. On the surface, it seems hard to make the case for journalism.  Long hours and little pay; the rewards *have* to be the intangibles.  How many science-trained students are actually making the switch? And why do they do it?  </p>
<p>Personally, my first choice would be to make a career out of writing, but it&#8217;s hard to see how to reconcile it with the need to provide.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/job-outlook-for-journalism-graduates/#comment-6529</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be selective and smart about the skills you set out to learn. I always say the first skill for a reporter should be audio — both gathering and editing. The cost of entry is very low, the rewards are very quick, you are likely to enjoy it, and you’ll find that it builds on everything you already know about reporting and interviewing.

After that, download Soundslides and learn to use it. Then get some photos (either shoot them yourself, or work with a photojournalist) and try to make a two-minute story that really works well AS A STORY. The first one probably won’t be any good, but the second one might actually be damned good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be selective and smart about the skills you set out to learn. I always say the first skill for a reporter should be audio — both gathering and editing. The cost of entry is very low, the rewards are very quick, you are likely to enjoy it, and you’ll find that it builds on everything you already know about reporting and interviewing.</p>
<p>After that, download Soundslides and learn to use it. Then get some photos (either shoot them yourself, or work with a photojournalist) and try to make a two-minute story that really works well AS A STORY. The first one probably won’t be any good, but the second one might actually be damned good.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Thornton</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/job-outlook-for-journalism-graduates/#comment-6526</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newguy,

I've known several people who basically made the same amount of money being servers at a restaurant as they did when they started off in journalism (within a few thousand of each other). You don't need a college degree to serve people, but it's pretty hard to get a journalism job today without a college degree.

So, they basically made the same amount of money in both of those jobs, except one job field required them to take on a lot of student loans. I know Barista's don't make they much money, but a lot of journalists make around $13 and hour out of undergrad. 

I know Web development, in addition to standard journalism skills. I've also added audio and video skills since I began my current job. And contrary to what a lot of print old timers would like to believe, I know how to write, and I know journalism. I've been published in seven print publications and graduated with a very high GPA.

I would suggest every journalist add at least one online skillset. Unfortunately, at least for the time being, a lot of old timers will view anyone with Web skills as more of an IT person than as a journalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newguy,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve known several people who basically made the same amount of money being servers at a restaurant as they did when they started off in journalism (within a few thousand of each other). You don&#8217;t need a college degree to serve people, but it&#8217;s pretty hard to get a journalism job today without a college degree.</p>
<p>So, they basically made the same amount of money in both of those jobs, except one job field required them to take on a lot of student loans. I know Barista&#8217;s don&#8217;t make they much money, but a lot of journalists make around $13 and hour out of undergrad. </p>
<p>I know Web development, in addition to standard journalism skills. I&#8217;ve also added audio and video skills since I began my current job. And contrary to what a lot of print old timers would like to believe, I know how to write, and I know journalism. I&#8217;ve been published in seven print publications and graduated with a very high GPA.</p>
<p>I would suggest every journalist add at least one online skillset. Unfortunately, at least for the time being, a lot of old timers will view anyone with Web skills as more of an IT person than as a journalist.</p>
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		<title>By: newguy</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/job-outlook-for-journalism-graduates/#comment-6523</link>
		<dc:creator>newguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat - 

As a former Starbucks barista (and after 3 months, shift supervisor), I am getting paid more at this entry-level job than I was making coffee. 

You raise some good points about the data. Regarding the state of the industry - at least this is more fun than asking people if they want banana bread with a latte. 

What kind of skillset got you ahead of the pack? Related to what Mindy talks about here, Flash/video/online stuff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat - </p>
<p>As a former Starbucks barista (and after 3 months, shift supervisor), I am getting paid more at this entry-level job than I was making coffee. </p>
<p>You raise some good points about the data. Regarding the state of the industry - at least this is more fun than asking people if they want banana bread with a latte. </p>
<p>What kind of skillset got you ahead of the pack? Related to what Mindy talks about here, Flash/video/online stuff?</p>
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		<title>By: Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media &#187; Thursday squibs</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/job-outlook-for-journalism-graduates/#comment-6518</link>
		<dc:creator>Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media &#187; Thursday squibs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Job outlook for journalism graduates. Mindy McAdams parses the numbers on what a journalism degree is worth. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Job outlook for journalism graduates. Mindy McAdams parses the numbers on what a journalism degree is worth. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: howardowens.com: media blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tolles sees a journalism future of more work, less pay</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/job-outlook-for-journalism-graduates/#comment-6514</link>
		<dc:creator>howardowens.com: media blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tolles sees a journalism future of more work, less pay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] POV. In my world, most journalists already work long hours. They work hard, and they’re not getting rich. The idea that Tolles would implement worse work-life conditions is baffling. Even worse is Tolles [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] POV. In my world, most journalists already work long hours. They work hard, and they’re not getting rich. The idea that Tolles would implement worse work-life conditions is baffling. Even worse is Tolles [...]</p>
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