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		<title>By: What I want out of my newspaper &#171; Frustrations of a young journalist</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/a-real-need-for-local-news-hyper-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-10783</link>
		<dc:creator>What I want out of my newspaper &#171; Frustrations of a young journalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] news about people, places and things that they know. I think that&#8217;s the interest behind the hyperlocal movement, although that&#8217;s been twisted to mean &#8220;more of the same local stories.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] news about people, places and things that they know. I think that&#8217;s the interest behind the hyperlocal movement, although that&#8217;s been twisted to mean &#8220;more of the same local stories.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Klein</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/a-real-need-for-local-news-hyper-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-10729</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Pat on the use and concept of &quot;niche&quot; as opposed to &quot;hyperlocal.&quot; Right now, &quot;hyperlocal&quot; carries some personal baggage, I&#039;m afraid.

When I was online sports editor at USA Today, our approach to sports was to strengthen niche coverage as manpower/resources allowed, but to have at least something on everything (or as much as possible) so that users and readers thought of USAT (print or online) as THE place to go. We might not be as deep as some other niche sites, but we weren&#039;t afraid to tell our users about those sites and let them wander (a bit). I was confident that they would always come back to us as the starting point of their search.

Something I have found in directing print sports coverage over the years is that most editors (especially MEs and EEs) like a meat and potato diet. But we all know what happens when you don&#039;t serve up enough veggies and fruits.

About a year or so ago, the WashPost decided to cut back on its print coverage of horse racing outside of the Triple Crown. But instead of telling readers that there would be increased coverage online (easy enough to do without increasing resources), the Post just treated this niche audience like it was unimportant and failed to move it online. This made no sense to me.

Niche audiences can be ignored only at great risk of losing audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Pat on the use and concept of &#8220;niche&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;hyperlocal.&#8221; Right now, &#8220;hyperlocal&#8221; carries some personal baggage, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>When I was online sports editor at USA Today, our approach to sports was to strengthen niche coverage as manpower/resources allowed, but to have at least something on everything (or as much as possible) so that users and readers thought of USAT (print or online) as THE place to go. We might not be as deep as some other niche sites, but we weren&#8217;t afraid to tell our users about those sites and let them wander (a bit). I was confident that they would always come back to us as the starting point of their search.</p>
<p>Something I have found in directing print sports coverage over the years is that most editors (especially MEs and EEs) like a meat and potato diet. But we all know what happens when you don&#8217;t serve up enough veggies and fruits.</p>
<p>About a year or so ago, the WashPost decided to cut back on its print coverage of horse racing outside of the Triple Crown. But instead of telling readers that there would be increased coverage online (easy enough to do without increasing resources), the Post just treated this niche audience like it was unimportant and failed to move it online. This made no sense to me.</p>
<p>Niche audiences can be ignored only at great risk of losing audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Thornton</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/a-real-need-for-local-news-hyper-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-10726</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say that local is where most news organizations are going to find their niche. Ironically, the Post has other niches it can hammer in on (it is based in the nation&#039;s capital afterall), so hyperlocal projects for exurbs might not be the best idea.

I&#039;m starting to dislike the term hyperlocal. People are treating it like this mythical, unproven beast. But what most of us are arguing for us better local coverage. That&#039;s something many news organizations used to do really well. Local reporting is not some unproven quantity. 

At the end of the day I argue for niches, because  in a World Wide Web world, anyone can get the big stories from a myriad of sources. But it&#039;s those niches that can allow a news organization to stand out.

For the record, if I were to build a &quot;hyperlocal&quot; project it would be considerably different than LoudounExtra. The first thing I&#039;d ditch is the weekly magazine format.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to say that local is where most news organizations are going to find their niche. Ironically, the Post has other niches it can hammer in on (it is based in the nation&#8217;s capital afterall), so hyperlocal projects for exurbs might not be the best idea.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to dislike the term hyperlocal. People are treating it like this mythical, unproven beast. But what most of us are arguing for us better local coverage. That&#8217;s something many news organizations used to do really well. Local reporting is not some unproven quantity. </p>
<p>At the end of the day I argue for niches, because  in a World Wide Web world, anyone can get the big stories from a myriad of sources. But it&#8217;s those niches that can allow a news organization to stand out.</p>
<p>For the record, if I were to build a &#8220;hyperlocal&#8221; project it would be considerably different than LoudounExtra. The first thing I&#8217;d ditch is the weekly magazine format.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/a-real-need-for-local-news-hyper-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-10725</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave Bullard: Consider that the Post&#039;s dot-com has something like 8 million non-local visitors (&lt;a href=&quot;http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/numbers-in-the-newsroom-and-in-the-audience/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kurtz&lt;/a&gt;) -- that might determine the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave Bullard: Consider that the Post&#8217;s dot-com has something like 8 million non-local visitors (<a href="http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/numbers-in-the-newsroom-and-in-the-audience/" rel="nofollow">Kurtz</a>) &#8212; that might determine the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Bullard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Bullard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, this interesting discussion begs a key point:  Is there a situation serious enough that a website that depends on being a national entity, such as WaPo&#039;s, should consider switching to run an essentially local emergency info service for its primary coverage area?

Little local sites like mine -- hey, this is our bread and butter.  Radio (my last home before setting up online shop) doesn&#039;t hesitate to drop the format and go all-crisis-all-the-time if the operation&#039;s a good one and, likely, a primary EAS station.

Is this one more area of miscalculation for the big newspapers?  Are their online operations simply too big, their business models &quot;too national&quot;, to tear up the format for a local emergency?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, this interesting discussion begs a key point:  Is there a situation serious enough that a website that depends on being a national entity, such as WaPo&#8217;s, should consider switching to run an essentially local emergency info service for its primary coverage area?</p>
<p>Little local sites like mine &#8212; hey, this is our bread and butter.  Radio (my last home before setting up online shop) doesn&#8217;t hesitate to drop the format and go all-crisis-all-the-time if the operation&#8217;s a good one and, likely, a primary EAS station.</p>
<p>Is this one more area of miscalculation for the big newspapers?  Are their online operations simply too big, their business models &#8220;too national&#8221;, to tear up the format for a local emergency?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kubiske</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/a-real-need-for-local-news-hyper-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-10723</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kubiske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Mindy I tend to overstate the poor metro reporting that comes from the Washington Post. (IMHO, they see DC as the nation&#039;s capital that just happens to have people living in the area. And so the priorities for the paper are to not look at the local news as something vitally important. Useful, yes. Important, maybe.) 

I also know a number of metro reporters who go beyond the Easter egg roll or Halloween party kind of stories. (Unfortunately the Post thinks it only needs 3 reporters to cover the ethnic/immigrant communities here. These are the communities that compromise large portions of the area&#039;s population -- 27 percent in Fairfax County alone.)

But to the original point, getting accurate and timely local news about emergency situations is difficult. TV8 and the Fairfax Counts cable stations and web sites did a good job. Beyond that...Pretty lame.

I even got better notices from the emergency service at George Mason than I saw on the WashPost and WashTimes web pages. I got notices via e-mail and mobile phone text about the tornado warnings AND when the warnings were lifted. 

What my wife could have used that day were better reports of downed trees. Seems just about every street -- major and side -- on her route home was either closed or reduced to one lane becuase of uprooted trees or downed powerlines. Had I a way to find out this info I would have passed it on to her by mobile phone so she would not need 2 hours to get to Fairfax from Arlington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Mindy I tend to overstate the poor metro reporting that comes from the Washington Post. (IMHO, they see DC as the nation&#8217;s capital that just happens to have people living in the area. And so the priorities for the paper are to not look at the local news as something vitally important. Useful, yes. Important, maybe.) </p>
<p>I also know a number of metro reporters who go beyond the Easter egg roll or Halloween party kind of stories. (Unfortunately the Post thinks it only needs 3 reporters to cover the ethnic/immigrant communities here. These are the communities that compromise large portions of the area&#8217;s population &#8212; 27 percent in Fairfax County alone.)</p>
<p>But to the original point, getting accurate and timely local news about emergency situations is difficult. TV8 and the Fairfax Counts cable stations and web sites did a good job. Beyond that&#8230;Pretty lame.</p>
<p>I even got better notices from the emergency service at George Mason than I saw on the WashPost and WashTimes web pages. I got notices via e-mail and mobile phone text about the tornado warnings AND when the warnings were lifted. </p>
<p>What my wife could have used that day were better reports of downed trees. Seems just about every street &#8212; major and side &#8212; on her route home was either closed or reduced to one lane becuase of uprooted trees or downed powerlines. Had I a way to find out this info I would have passed it on to her by mobile phone so she would not need 2 hours to get to Fairfax from Arlington.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Klein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I so rarely participate in these discussions because I treasure the many friendships I have in the business (media and academia), and the temptation to be snarky in these forums is just too easy.
That said ...

Minday writes:
Gosh, I guess it’s just not right to say “all” or “never.” I need to say “some” or “most” or “many.” Sorry about the sweeping generalizations.

Well ... yes. We teach our students at Mason to avoid absolutes. I&#039;m sure Mindy does, too, at Florida.

Mindy writes:
I used to have to read the stories written by the Loudoun and Fairfax reporters every week when I was a Metro desk copy editor. No offense meant to anyone who ever worked in those suburban bureaus, but it’s not like a lot of hard news came out of there. Of course, how can you expect to really cover a county with a quarter-million residents with only two, maybe three, reporters?  

There are more reporters now, but better a WP person speak to how many.
Enough reporters?
Of course not.
As to breaking news, the weekly magazine format of these suburban publications never were and certainly aren&#039;t now the best or intended format for hard/breaking news. They are a good place for enterprise and features, and that&#039;s what you get. 
But I no more look to a weekly to break news today (or even when Mindy worked at the Post) than I look to the Post print product to break news. If the Post is breaking news in print, then it&#039;s sitting on the news, something else we (Cindy, me and other educators) teach our students NOT to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so rarely participate in these discussions because I treasure the many friendships I have in the business (media and academia), and the temptation to be snarky in these forums is just too easy.<br />
That said &#8230;</p>
<p>Minday writes:<br />
Gosh, I guess it’s just not right to say “all” or “never.” I need to say “some” or “most” or “many.” Sorry about the sweeping generalizations.</p>
<p>Well &#8230; yes. We teach our students at Mason to avoid absolutes. I&#8217;m sure Mindy does, too, at Florida.</p>
<p>Mindy writes:<br />
I used to have to read the stories written by the Loudoun and Fairfax reporters every week when I was a Metro desk copy editor. No offense meant to anyone who ever worked in those suburban bureaus, but it’s not like a lot of hard news came out of there. Of course, how can you expect to really cover a county with a quarter-million residents with only two, maybe three, reporters?  </p>
<p>There are more reporters now, but better a WP person speak to how many.<br />
Enough reporters?<br />
Of course not.<br />
As to breaking news, the weekly magazine format of these suburban publications never were and certainly aren&#8217;t now the best or intended format for hard/breaking news. They are a good place for enterprise and features, and that&#8217;s what you get.<br />
But I no more look to a weekly to break news today (or even when Mindy worked at the Post) than I look to the Post print product to break news. If the Post is breaking news in print, then it&#8217;s sitting on the news, something else we (Cindy, me and other educators) teach our students NOT to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t even START on how much Len Downie loves weather stories! Remember, I had to write heds for Metro!!! PAGE ONE WEATHER STORIES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t even START on how much Len Downie loves weather stories! Remember, I had to write heds for Metro!!! PAGE ONE WEATHER STORIES!</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mindy: That is an excellent point, one that was obscured to me on my initial reading. Thanks for the clarification. Plus, as a former Postie, I know only too well how much Len Downie loves weather stories.

Derek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mindy: That is an excellent point, one that was obscured to me on my initial reading. Thanks for the clarification. Plus, as a former Postie, I know only too well how much Len Downie loves weather stories.</p>
<p>Derek</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Derek: You are correct, Scott could have found more information, more easily, if he had been logged in (as he learned later). The Post did have it. And Dave Bullard makes an excellent point about radio and power outages, which is why lots of people in Florida have weather radios -- and a stockpile of fresh batteries. 

The point I was trying to approach (obviously I did a bad job of it) was that in all the various discussions of hyperlocal sites and strategies, we usually don&#039;t talk about the times when a sharply focused local effort is really critical. A lot of the discussion about hyperlocal has centered on databases and/or user-generated content, rather than crises. I thought Scott&#039;s post opened another venue for discussion about local emphasis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Derek: You are correct, Scott could have found more information, more easily, if he had been logged in (as he learned later). The Post did have it. And Dave Bullard makes an excellent point about radio and power outages, which is why lots of people in Florida have weather radios &#8212; and a stockpile of fresh batteries. </p>
<p>The point I was trying to approach (obviously I did a bad job of it) was that in all the various discussions of hyperlocal sites and strategies, we usually don&#8217;t talk about the times when a sharply focused local effort is really critical. A lot of the discussion about hyperlocal has centered on databases and/or user-generated content, rather than crises. I thought Scott&#8217;s post opened another venue for discussion about local emphasis.</p>
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