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	<title>Comments on: Advice to journalism students: Forget grad school!</title>
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	<description>Notes from the classroom and observations about today's practice of journalism online</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Profissão: Jornalista; Salário: &#8230;pois&#8230; &#124; Profession: Journalist; Salary: &#8230;er&#8230; &#171; O Lago &#124; The Lake</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/advice-to-journalism-students-forget-grad-school/#comment-10974</link>
		<dc:creator>Profissão: Jornalista; Salário: &#8230;pois&#8230; &#124; Profession: Journalist; Salary: &#8230;er&#8230; &#171; O Lago &#124; The Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] forget about that graduate degree — just go out and start [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Teaching Online Journalism &#187; Journalism salaries and careers</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/advice-to-journalism-students-forget-grad-school/#comment-10951</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching Online Journalism &#187; Journalism salaries and careers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] forget about that graduate degree &#8212; just go out and start [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Tomkins</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/advice-to-journalism-students-forget-grad-school/#comment-10940</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Tomkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 06:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mindy: A very interesting article and great posts in response.

I've been a foreign correspondent and political reporter and editor for 35 years. I recently completed six months in Iraq after spending seven years covering the White House.

I never went to journalism school so my view is admittedly biased. But I believe studying journalism in an academic sense is on the whole useless and produces a lot of arrogant dunces.

The best course of study is liberal arts with a few practical classes on news writing, editing, journalism principles and methods. Then go out and get a job under an editor who'll splatter the newsroom with your blood when you blow it, but also pull you aside and show you your mistake and how to do better.

Nothing beats practical experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mindy: A very interesting article and great posts in response.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a foreign correspondent and political reporter and editor for 35 years. I recently completed six months in Iraq after spending seven years covering the White House.</p>
<p>I never went to journalism school so my view is admittedly biased. But I believe studying journalism in an academic sense is on the whole useless and produces a lot of arrogant dunces.</p>
<p>The best course of study is liberal arts with a few practical classes on news writing, editing, journalism principles and methods. Then go out and get a job under an editor who&#8217;ll splatter the newsroom with your blood when you blow it, but also pull you aside and show you your mistake and how to do better.</p>
<p>Nothing beats practical experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/advice-to-journalism-students-forget-grad-school/#comment-10703</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents are journalists, so thankfully, I've never had this problem.

But I see so many people in my classes who think going to grad school is going to get them somewhere. They're typically the people who have never had an internship and have been published less than five times.

So I wonder: when exactly are they going to get into "real" journalism? And how will they have a clue what to do once they get there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents are journalists, so thankfully, I&#8217;ve never had this problem.</p>
<p>But I see so many people in my classes who think going to grad school is going to get them somewhere. They&#8217;re typically the people who have never had an internship and have been published less than five times.</p>
<p>So I wonder: when exactly are they going to get into &#8220;real&#8221; journalism? And how will they have a clue what to do once they get there?</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/advice-to-journalism-students-forget-grad-school/#comment-10663</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 12:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Larry Vaughn: The master's in telecom at UF is very focused on scholarly research, so it would not help you get a job in a newsroom. It would, however, give you a credential for teaching undergrads as an adjunct, if you're interested in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Larry Vaughn: The master&#8217;s in telecom at UF is very focused on scholarly research, so it would not help you get a job in a newsroom. It would, however, give you a credential for teaching undergrads as an adjunct, if you&#8217;re interested in that.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Vaughn</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/advice-to-journalism-students-forget-grad-school/#comment-10658</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Vaughn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm 52 and worked as a photojournalist in college at the campus daily and several Florida newspapers. I ended up getting an AS degree in Photography after my BA from USF. Why? Daytona Beach CC had a great program and used to send me offers to pay 1/2 salary for their grads that we hired. So after I felt the need to improve my photo skills to a commercial level I attended that program and worked for the Orlando Sentinel as a Volusia county stringer. I had the most fun during that time and got many, many clips and made more per week than I did as a full time chief photog at a small paper. I volunteered at an indy tv station and ended up being a one man band because they didn't really need another shooter. With that experience I got a job as an ABC affiliate video news editor and shooter. I also had a contract with a regional theatre, strangely due to some photojournalism experience in Guatemala. 

I ended up getting another AS degree in computer network engineering about 10 years ago because I knew nothing about computers. 

Fast forward to today. I called UF about taking some masters classes (I now own a home in Gainesville) and was told not to go for a masters in broadcasting because no one cares.

So after due consideration, I think I will pick up what I need to know online, to refresh my skills. No cost and more current.

I'm also studying for the GMAT.

Get your experience where you can, get it while in school if you can.

When you are in school you might want to be working, but when you are working you might wish you were back in school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 52 and worked as a photojournalist in college at the campus daily and several Florida newspapers. I ended up getting an AS degree in Photography after my BA from USF. Why? Daytona Beach CC had a great program and used to send me offers to pay 1/2 salary for their grads that we hired. So after I felt the need to improve my photo skills to a commercial level I attended that program and worked for the Orlando Sentinel as a Volusia county stringer. I had the most fun during that time and got many, many clips and made more per week than I did as a full time chief photog at a small paper. I volunteered at an indy tv station and ended up being a one man band because they didn&#8217;t really need another shooter. With that experience I got a job as an ABC affiliate video news editor and shooter. I also had a contract with a regional theatre, strangely due to some photojournalism experience in Guatemala. </p>
<p>I ended up getting another AS degree in computer network engineering about 10 years ago because I knew nothing about computers. </p>
<p>Fast forward to today. I called UF about taking some masters classes (I now own a home in Gainesville) and was told not to go for a masters in broadcasting because no one cares.</p>
<p>So after due consideration, I think I will pick up what I need to know online, to refresh my skills. No cost and more current.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also studying for the GMAT.</p>
<p>Get your experience where you can, get it while in school if you can.</p>
<p>When you are in school you might want to be working, but when you are working you might wish you were back in school.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/advice-to-journalism-students-forget-grad-school/#comment-10653</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 23:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote for various Canadian magazines while finishing my undergrad in Poli Sci and Philosophy. I've just finished my MA in political science and feel like I now have EXPERTISE/MASTERY of a discipline. If writer's are encouraged to "write what you know" then i've now got plenty in reserve--no j-school necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote for various Canadian magazines while finishing my undergrad in Poli Sci and Philosophy. I&#8217;ve just finished my MA in political science and feel like I now have EXPERTISE/MASTERY of a discipline. If writer&#8217;s are encouraged to &#8220;write what you know&#8221; then i&#8217;ve now got plenty in reserve&#8211;no j-school necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: R G</title>
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		<dc:creator>R G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 00:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 30 years in the newspaper industry, I simply tell students to change their majors before it's too late. 

The newspaper industry is caught up in the dark ages in pay scale and the revoling door just keeps spinning. Good people generally leave one paper to go to another in a couple of years or are let go to bring in new hires "to meet budget." 

I made a transition into public relations where the pay is  - finally - on par and the hours and stress are a heck of a lot less.

P.S. - Last journalism job I had was managing editor of a daily at $29,000 a year with a Kentucky-owned chain. My father made more a year on his Teamster's retirement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 30 years in the newspaper industry, I simply tell students to change their majors before it&#8217;s too late. </p>
<p>The newspaper industry is caught up in the dark ages in pay scale and the revoling door just keeps spinning. Good people generally leave one paper to go to another in a couple of years or are let go to bring in new hires &#8220;to meet budget.&#8221; </p>
<p>I made a transition into public relations where the pay is  - finally - on par and the hours and stress are a heck of a lot less.</p>
<p>P.S. - Last journalism job I had was managing editor of a daily at $29,000 a year with a Kentucky-owned chain. My father made more a year on his Teamster&#8217;s retirement.</p>
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		<title>By: Kibbles &#8216;n Bits &#124; Today&#8217;s List &#8216;o Links</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kibbles &#8216;n Bits &#124; Today&#8217;s List &#8216;o Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mindy McAdams: Going To J Grad School &#8216;Sheer Frickin&#8217; Madness.&#8217; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MESTRADO EM JORNALISMO? NÃO &#171; ««»»</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/advice-to-journalism-students-forget-grad-school/#comment-9554</link>
		<dc:creator>MESTRADO EM JORNALISMO? NÃO &#171; ««»»</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Abril 14, 2008 por Inês Aroso    António Granado, destaca no Ponto Media um artigo de Mindy McAdams bastante provocatório - Advice to journalism students: Forget grad school! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Abril 14, 2008 por Inês Aroso    António Granado, destaca no Ponto Media um artigo de Mindy McAdams bastante provocatório - Advice to journalism students: Forget grad school! [...]</p>
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