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	<title>Comments on: Journalism jobs: Online design producer</title>
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	<description>Notes from the classroom and observations about today's practice of journalism online</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Teaching Online Journalism &#187; Setting up a team for online journalism</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalism-jobs-online-design-producer/#comment-10854</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching Online Journalism &#187; Setting up a team for online journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it would be great if you could hire one single person who could do everything. We call that &#8220;computer jesus&#8221; &#8212; and you need to accept the fact that there really are not many people in the world [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it would be great if you could hire one single person who could do everything. We call that &#8220;computer jesus&#8221; &#8212; and you need to accept the fact that there really are not many people in the world [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SeanBlanda.com &#187; The economics of the journalism job search</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalism-jobs-online-design-producer/#comment-8725</link>
		<dc:creator>SeanBlanda.com &#187; The economics of the journalism job search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] highlighted in a recent post here, as well as in a Mindy McAdams post, most newspapers don&#8217;t quite know what they are looking for. Many also have unrealistic [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] highlighted in a recent post here, as well as in a Mindy McAdams post, most newspapers don&#8217;t quite know what they are looking for. Many also have unrealistic [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalism-jobs-online-design-producer/#comment-8719</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@peter: OUCH.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And we don't know how much they are paying, in fact.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@peter: OUCH.</p>
<p>And we don&#8217;t know how much they are paying, in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalism-jobs-online-design-producer/#comment-8718</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$30,000 is WAY too much IMHO. Take a look at the quality of vodep the RMN is producing -

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/videos/detail/starbucks-turns-away-customers/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$30,000 is WAY too much IMHO. Take a look at the quality of vodep the RMN is producing -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/videos/detail/starbucks-turns-away-customers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rockymountainnews.com/videos/detail/starbucks-turns-away-customers/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalism-jobs-online-design-producer/#comment-8713</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ray Villalobos

Isn't it funny (well not to me, Mr. Dedicated Journalist), that these sorts of jobs would pay $30,000 at a newspaper but pay at least 2 times that in other parts of the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ray Villalobos</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it funny (well not to me, Mr. Dedicated Journalist), that these sorts of jobs would pay $30,000 at a newspaper but pay at least 2 times that in other parts of the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Villalobos</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalism-jobs-online-design-producer/#comment-8667</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Villalobos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They probably also want to pay $30k. That's just ridiculous.

Asking someone to be good at InDesign and Coldfusion and then help with database integration on both the print and online product is ridiculous and probably irrelevant to the actual job...that's what made this a "computer jesus" job. I really laughed when I saw that.

Really, how many people do you know that 1. Know Coldfusion, After Effects, InDesign, XML, CSS. 2. are really good at all of them. I'm with Mindy on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They probably also want to pay $30k. That&#8217;s just ridiculous.</p>
<p>Asking someone to be good at InDesign and Coldfusion and then help with database integration on both the print and online product is ridiculous and probably irrelevant to the actual job&#8230;that&#8217;s what made this a &#8220;computer jesus&#8221; job. I really laughed when I saw that.</p>
<p>Really, how many people do you know that 1. Know Coldfusion, After Effects, InDesign, XML, CSS. 2. are really good at all of them. I&#8217;m with Mindy on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalism-jobs-online-design-producer/#comment-8650</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Danny: I agree completely that a Flash producer or designer today must know how to write code and how to hook Flash projects out to external data, especially XML. I also agree that someone who produces Flash ought to know how to integrate FLVs into the Flash package. 

I also think some of these folks are not going to be illustrators or artists, and so, increasingly, we might see great Flash producers who don't know how to flow copy in a print page design program and who don't know how to use the pen tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Danny: I agree completely that a Flash producer or designer today must know how to write code and how to hook Flash projects out to external data, especially XML. I also agree that someone who produces Flash ought to know how to integrate FLVs into the Flash package. </p>
<p>I also think some of these folks are not going to be illustrators or artists, and so, increasingly, we might see great Flash producers who don&#8217;t know how to flow copy in a print page design program and who don&#8217;t know how to use the pen tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalism-jobs-online-design-producer/#comment-8649</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, we have quite a few people here in Orlando who exactly fit this job description:  Flash design, video production and some development experience and/or ability to at work with a hosting provider to get a site off the ground and maintain it.

The job posting requires a broad skill set, but I don't think that it quite descends into "Computer Jesus" territory.

Increasingly, being able to integrate FLV format video into Flash graphics is important. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to expect a multimedia producer to be at least comfortable working with a video editing suite.

Lastly, ColdFusion is a bit of the odd duck with open-source being all the rage. But frankly, I wouldn't hire a Flashionista who can't do any development or isn't at least crazy eager to learn. The days of click-next, click-next Flash "interactives" are over, and the dawn of the dynamic data visualization is upon us. And you can't do that without someone who is willing to get his hands dirty with code.

Re: InDesign, that may because they work closely with the print side of the newsroom in re-purposing artwork. Just a guess, of course. But honestly, if you know Photoshop and Illustrator (which you SHOULD if you're a designer), then InDesign is a cinch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, we have quite a few people here in Orlando who exactly fit this job description:  Flash design, video production and some development experience and/or ability to at work with a hosting provider to get a site off the ground and maintain it.</p>
<p>The job posting requires a broad skill set, but I don&#8217;t think that it quite descends into &#8220;Computer Jesus&#8221; territory.</p>
<p>Increasingly, being able to integrate FLV format video into Flash graphics is important. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s unreasonable at all to expect a multimedia producer to be at least comfortable working with a video editing suite.</p>
<p>Lastly, ColdFusion is a bit of the odd duck with open-source being all the rage. But frankly, I wouldn&#8217;t hire a Flashionista who can&#8217;t do any development or isn&#8217;t at least crazy eager to learn. The days of click-next, click-next Flash &#8220;interactives&#8221; are over, and the dawn of the dynamic data visualization is upon us. And you can&#8217;t do that without someone who is willing to get his hands dirty with code.</p>
<p>Re: InDesign, that may because they work closely with the print side of the newsroom in re-purposing artwork. Just a guess, of course. But honestly, if you know Photoshop and Illustrator (which you SHOULD if you&#8217;re a designer), then InDesign is a cinch.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalism-jobs-online-design-producer/#comment-8610</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@albert: I know what you mean -- it's not a good position to be in. Some people would say, "At least you have a job." But there are good jobs and bad jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@albert: I know what you mean &#8212; it&#8217;s not a good position to be in. Some people would say, &#8220;At least you have a job.&#8221; But there are good jobs and bad jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: albert</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalism-jobs-online-design-producer/#comment-8609</link>
		<dc:creator>albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, I really really hope the term 'computer jesus' catches on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, I really really hope the term &#8216;computer jesus&#8217; catches on.</p>
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