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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis, Please Return to Reality &#124; Matters of Varying Insignificance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis, Please Return to Reality &#124; Matters of Varying Insignificance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for a more realistic view of how &#8220;well&#8221; journalists are paid, see this post by Mindy McAdams about what journalists make. Make sure you read the comments for some horror stories. And if you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for a more realistic view of how &#8220;well&#8221; journalists are paid, see this post by Mindy McAdams about what journalists make. Make sure you read the comments for some horror stories. And if you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Your new journalism job: what do reporters, editors get paid? &#171; Christopher Wink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your new journalism job: what do reporters, editors get paid? &#171; Christopher Wink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So what is reporting worth to you? I hope less than it was in 2001. Someone starting out could look to make anywhere from $20,000 to $30,000, though the median salary for journalists in 2001 was approximately $44,000. (Via Mindy McAdams) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So what is reporting worth to you? I hope less than it was in 2001. Someone starting out could look to make anywhere from $20,000 to $30,000, though the median salary for journalists in 2001 was approximately $44,000. (Via Mindy McAdams) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Profissão: Jornalista; Salário: &#8230;pois&#8230; &#124; Profession: Journalist; Salary: &#8230;er&#8230; &#171; O Lago &#124; The Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Profissão: Jornalista; Salário: &#8230;pois&#8230; &#124; Profession: Journalist; Salary: &#8230;er&#8230; &#171; O Lago &#124; The Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Querem ser ricos? Ter carros, casas e férias no estrangeiro? Querem uma profissão que lhes dê tempo livre? Então esqueçam o jornalismo. Já falei que não aconselho ninguém a seguir esta carreira (eu desisti do jornalismo mais do que uma vez, prefiro o termo comunicador) mas se querem ter noção das condições financeiras que esta vida vos traz, leiam este post da Mindy MacAdams. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Querem ser ricos? Ter carros, casas e férias no estrangeiro? Querem uma profissão que lhes dê tempo livre? Então esqueçam o jornalismo. Já falei que não aconselho ninguém a seguir esta carreira (eu desisti do jornalismo mais do que uma vez, prefiro o termo comunicador) mas se querem ter noção das condições financeiras que esta vida vos traz, leiam este post da Mindy MacAdams. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for such a fantastic site, Mindy. I&#039;ve just found you, and look forward to reading so much more. But this topic is such a great one for me to jump into. So here goes...

I am an example of one of those people who left the newspaper job (making less than $28k and looking at nothing better than the prospect of an annual 2% salary increase -- or is that a 2% decrease, depending on inflation?) and now work for a large company doing internal web and print communications.

It&#039;s unfortunate. I enjoyed many aspects of working at a newspaper. But I couldn&#039;t shake the feeling that my future was so limited. I felt let down that I&#039;d bought into the American belief that education promises a good life. Instead I ended up with a Master&#039;s, a mountain of loans and no prospect of being able to afford even a modest  lifestyle, as long as I worked in the core tradition of journalism. Well, my education and newspaper experience is giving me a good life, but not in the way I&#039;d anticipated. (And for the record, by &quot;good life,&quot; I only meant earning $30-40k/yr at a newspaper, nothing grandiose.)

Second example: My wife, ex-photojournalist. She now is an art and Spanish teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for such a fantastic site, Mindy. I&#8217;ve just found you, and look forward to reading so much more. But this topic is such a great one for me to jump into. So here goes&#8230;</p>
<p>I am an example of one of those people who left the newspaper job (making less than $28k and looking at nothing better than the prospect of an annual 2% salary increase &#8212; or is that a 2% decrease, depending on inflation?) and now work for a large company doing internal web and print communications.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate. I enjoyed many aspects of working at a newspaper. But I couldn&#8217;t shake the feeling that my future was so limited. I felt let down that I&#8217;d bought into the American belief that education promises a good life. Instead I ended up with a Master&#8217;s, a mountain of loans and no prospect of being able to afford even a modest  lifestyle, as long as I worked in the core tradition of journalism. Well, my education and newspaper experience is giving me a good life, but not in the way I&#8217;d anticipated. (And for the record, by &#8220;good life,&#8221; I only meant earning $30-40k/yr at a newspaper, nothing grandiose.)</p>
<p>Second example: My wife, ex-photojournalist. She now is an art and Spanish teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: John Zhu</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Zhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post with good, useful info for students. Everybody is told that you don&#039;t go into journalism for the money, but that vague, nebulous concept takes on new meaning when you flesh it out with some actual numbers about what a new grad can expect in terms of salary.

The story Pat shared about his girlfriend&#039;s experience is a familiar one. And he&#039;s right that anybody who has the skills that newspapers want, both old and new media skills, can get much better compensation in just about any field other than newspapers, especially starting out (the crappy hours and working on weekends, of course, would still be part of being in journalism, newspaper or not). 

I was fortunate enough to start out at $30k as a designer/copy editor at a 50k paper back in 2000 and moved up to above $40k at a bigger paper within about 3 years. Honestly, I&#039;ve never taken a newspaper job at a salary that I didn&#039;t feel satisfied with (though I&#039;ve been very lucky in that regard). The problem now is that if you move up far enough on the salary scale in newspapers, you become a target for the next round of job cuts. It&#039;s a no-win situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post with good, useful info for students. Everybody is told that you don&#8217;t go into journalism for the money, but that vague, nebulous concept takes on new meaning when you flesh it out with some actual numbers about what a new grad can expect in terms of salary.</p>
<p>The story Pat shared about his girlfriend&#8217;s experience is a familiar one. And he&#8217;s right that anybody who has the skills that newspapers want, both old and new media skills, can get much better compensation in just about any field other than newspapers, especially starting out (the crappy hours and working on weekends, of course, would still be part of being in journalism, newspaper or not). </p>
<p>I was fortunate enough to start out at $30k as a designer/copy editor at a 50k paper back in 2000 and moved up to above $40k at a bigger paper within about 3 years. Honestly, I&#8217;ve never taken a newspaper job at a salary that I didn&#8217;t feel satisfied with (though I&#8217;ve been very lucky in that regard). The problem now is that if you move up far enough on the salary scale in newspapers, you become a target for the next round of job cuts. It&#8217;s a no-win situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rob - Thanks, man. I am back. The trip was wonderful. How&#039;s your newspaper doing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rob &#8211; Thanks, man. I am back. The trip was wonderful. How&#8217;s your newspaper doing?</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Villalpando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto Villalpando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome posts! -- as usual. Glad to have you back in the States (you are back in the states, yes?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome posts! &#8212; as usual. Glad to have you back in the States (you are back in the states, yes?)</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Thornton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you look at those salaries, it&#039;s hard to imagine journalism, especially newspapers, being able to attract the best and brightest technologists in the coming years.

Or technologists in general.

I was offered a reporting position when I was first looking for a job with a salary under $25,000. One of the reasons they liked me was because of my Web skills, and they wanted me to help improve their Web site. My Web skills are precisely why I didn&#039;t take that job. That paper is continuing its slow ride into oblivion. How are papers like that supposed to turn things around?

With the salaries they offer, they can&#039;t. Less than a year ago my girlfriend was making a little more than $30,000 in the New York market. With her student loans, she was barely getting by. She had no money to do anything other than pay her bills and quickly became burned out by journalism at a mid-sized daily. 

She rarely had times to take breaks, routinely worked unpaid overtime and was rewarded with a raise that was less than inflation, despite getting a glowing review. The top raise that a journalist at her 50,000-circulation Gannett paper got was 3%. 

Now she is making in the upper 40s doing marketing and PR for a university and much happier because of it. And she doesn&#039;t have to work 4:30 p.m. - 12:30 a.m. anymore or lose most of her weekends.

I too am bullish on the future of journalism. I&#039;m very bearish, however, on the future of newspapers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you look at those salaries, it&#8217;s hard to imagine journalism, especially newspapers, being able to attract the best and brightest technologists in the coming years.</p>
<p>Or technologists in general.</p>
<p>I was offered a reporting position when I was first looking for a job with a salary under $25,000. One of the reasons they liked me was because of my Web skills, and they wanted me to help improve their Web site. My Web skills are precisely why I didn&#8217;t take that job. That paper is continuing its slow ride into oblivion. How are papers like that supposed to turn things around?</p>
<p>With the salaries they offer, they can&#8217;t. Less than a year ago my girlfriend was making a little more than $30,000 in the New York market. With her student loans, she was barely getting by. She had no money to do anything other than pay her bills and quickly became burned out by journalism at a mid-sized daily. </p>
<p>She rarely had times to take breaks, routinely worked unpaid overtime and was rewarded with a raise that was less than inflation, despite getting a glowing review. The top raise that a journalist at her 50,000-circulation Gannett paper got was 3%. </p>
<p>Now she is making in the upper 40s doing marketing and PR for a university and much happier because of it. And she doesn&#8217;t have to work 4:30 p.m. &#8211; 12:30 a.m. anymore or lose most of her weekends.</p>
<p>I too am bullish on the future of journalism. I&#8217;m very bearish, however, on the future of newspapers.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad &quot;online journalists&quot; haven&#039;t become standard enough to include on that chart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad &#8220;online journalists&#8221; haven&#8217;t become standard enough to include on that chart.</p>
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		<title>By: Mallory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mallory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post came just in time.  Even after using salary calculators online, I&#039;ve been baffled at what to add to my resume/cover letter when potential employers ask for the dreaded &quot;salary requirements,&quot; which is a very term for recent college grads who&#039;ve never had a salary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post came just in time.  Even after using salary calculators online, I&#8217;ve been baffled at what to add to my resume/cover letter when potential employers ask for the dreaded &#8220;salary requirements,&#8221; which is a very term for recent college grads who&#8217;ve never had a salary!</p>
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