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	<title>Comments on: Journalists, HTML, and Dreamweaver</title>
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	<description>Notes from the classroom and observations about today's practice of journalism online</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Teaching Online Journalism &#187; What every journalism student needs to know (now)</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalists-html-and-dreamweaver/#comment-8701</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching Online Journalism &#187; What every journalism student needs to know (now)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 04:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently wrote about why NOT to teach Dreamweaver. Nothing wrong with Dreamweaver &#8212; I use it almost daily. But learning it is not the best use [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recently wrote about why NOT to teach Dreamweaver. Nothing wrong with Dreamweaver &#8212; I use it almost daily. But learning it is not the best use [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalists-html-and-dreamweaver/#comment-8303</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't teach Dreamweaver in a web design class, either. It's of limited use in today's world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t teach Dreamweaver in a web design class, either. It&#8217;s of limited use in today&#8217;s world.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalists-html-and-dreamweaver/#comment-8230</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eric: Do you find, though, that the Web-based tools tend to go offline at the most inconvenient times? I do! And then you're just out of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eric: Do you find, though, that the Web-based tools tend to go offline at the most inconvenient times? I do! And then you&#8217;re just out of luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Medieblogger</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalists-html-and-dreamweaver/#comment-8134</link>
		<dc:creator>Medieblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Værktøjer eller koncepter/struktur i undervisningen?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Der kører en interessant debat om, hvorvidt man skal bruge Dreamweaver i undervisningen af journalister (Mindy McAdams har også blogget om det).
Interessant i denne debat er dog dette blogindlæg af Mark Comerford, hvor han hellere vil tale underligg...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Værktøjer eller koncepter/struktur i undervisningen?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Der kører en interessant debat om, hvorvidt man skal bruge Dreamweaver i undervisningen af journalister (Mindy McAdams har også blogget om det).<br />
Interessant i denne debat er dog dette blogindlæg af Mark Comerford, hvor han hellere vil tale underligg&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Ulken</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalists-html-and-dreamweaver/#comment-8124</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Ulken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The suite of software apps used by web producers at the Los Angeles Times consists of the following:

-- a text editor
-- Photoshop

What we lack in client-side software, we make up for in a dizzying array of browser-based tools.  We use two blogging platforms, a legacy CMS, a homegrown content platform for new products, a video tool, a user-generated content platform, a publishing system for electronic newsletters, a couple of wikis for internal documents and probably a few other tools I can't think of at the moment.

Accordingly, when I began teaching a section of the introductory online journalism course at USC this semester, I set out to use only web-based tools in the class.  I've taught wikitext, WordPress (yes, we use the code view, not the WYSIWYG editor) and Flickr/Picnik.  Before the end of the semester, we'll spend some time with Google Maps and, hopefully, VuVox (a very cool Flash-based collage/slide-show app).  We did maybe an hour's fly-through of Photoshop, since it's so ubiquitous, but for purposes of an intro class you could almost skip Photoshop and do all your image editing in Picnik.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The suite of software apps used by web producers at the Los Angeles Times consists of the following:</p>
<p>&#8211; a text editor<br />
&#8211; Photoshop</p>
<p>What we lack in client-side software, we make up for in a dizzying array of browser-based tools.  We use two blogging platforms, a legacy CMS, a homegrown content platform for new products, a video tool, a user-generated content platform, a publishing system for electronic newsletters, a couple of wikis for internal documents and probably a few other tools I can&#8217;t think of at the moment.</p>
<p>Accordingly, when I began teaching a section of the introductory online journalism course at USC this semester, I set out to use only web-based tools in the class.  I&#8217;ve taught wikitext, WordPress (yes, we use the code view, not the WYSIWYG editor) and Flickr/Picnik.  Before the end of the semester, we&#8217;ll spend some time with Google Maps and, hopefully, VuVox (a very cool Flash-based collage/slide-show app).  We did maybe an hour&#8217;s fly-through of Photoshop, since it&#8217;s so ubiquitous, but for purposes of an intro class you could almost skip Photoshop and do all your image editing in Picnik.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalists-html-and-dreamweaver/#comment-8101</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@albert: In some classes in some schools, the application Dreamweaver is taught, and HTML is not. If someone learns to use Dreamweaver and nothing else, he doesn't know how to create a Web page -- he only knows how to use Dreamweaver.

Personally, I like using Dreamweaver after my CSS is finished. I switch into code view a lot, but it's often convenient to use design view. I also like the convenience of FTPing from within DW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@albert: In some classes in some schools, the application Dreamweaver is taught, and HTML is not. If someone learns to use Dreamweaver and nothing else, he doesn&#8217;t know how to create a Web page &#8212; he only knows how to use Dreamweaver.</p>
<p>Personally, I like using Dreamweaver after my CSS is finished. I switch into code view a lot, but it&#8217;s often convenient to use design view. I also like the convenience of FTPing from within DW.</p>
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		<title>By: Jernej</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalists-html-and-dreamweaver/#comment-8091</link>
		<dc:creator>Jernej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't waste time on Dreamweaver or any other WYSIWYG editor. The only thing you'll acomplish is a class or wannabe journalist who think they can work their way around HTML/CSS but in reality only cause problems for the person who has to clean up after them. It is absolutely the wrong way to learn HTML/CSS.

Yes, do teach them HTML/CSS but teach them proper markup and structure and not much else. They don't need to worry about how the end result will look (journalist usually aren't that good at design, leave it to those that are) but they do need to semanticaly and logicaly structure a document the way it should be. 

Tell them a list is a list, a table is a table and headings are not just large bold text. It doesn't matter if they end up writing in a word processor or HTML. The structure should basically be the same. Properly structured HTML generated by MS Word is a lot easier to clean up than completely reworking a poorly structured one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t waste time on Dreamweaver or any other WYSIWYG editor. The only thing you&#8217;ll acomplish is a class or wannabe journalist who think they can work their way around HTML/CSS but in reality only cause problems for the person who has to clean up after them. It is absolutely the wrong way to learn HTML/CSS.</p>
<p>Yes, do teach them HTML/CSS but teach them proper markup and structure and not much else. They don&#8217;t need to worry about how the end result will look (journalist usually aren&#8217;t that good at design, leave it to those that are) but they do need to semanticaly and logicaly structure a document the way it should be. </p>
<p>Tell them a list is a list, a table is a table and headings are not just large bold text. It doesn&#8217;t matter if they end up writing in a word processor or HTML. The structure should basically be the same. Properly structured HTML generated by MS Word is a lot easier to clean up than completely reworking a poorly structured one.</p>
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		<title>By: albert</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalists-html-and-dreamweaver/#comment-8090</link>
		<dc:creator>albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what's the deal with dreamweaver and why does everyone talk about teaching dreamweaver as if it were different from teaching html?

i'm giving a crash course in html to the reporters and editors at my paper this week, and it's not going to involve dreamweaver at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s the deal with dreamweaver and why does everyone talk about teaching dreamweaver as if it were different from teaching html?</p>
<p>i&#8217;m giving a crash course in html to the reporters and editors at my paper this week, and it&#8217;s not going to involve dreamweaver at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Murley</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalists-html-and-dreamweaver/#comment-8086</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Murley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't teach students how to use Dreamweaver, but do teach them basic HTML/CSS as a way to build a simple web page, then we spend part of the semester working with javascripts, optimizing images for web delivery, embedding maps and video, etc. and using blogging software.

There's a lot to cover out there, obviously, but I don't want them tied to the software (DW) so much that they can't look at a web site and figure out what's going on under the hood.

As for what was mentioned earlier by someone about the reporters writing the story and then getting it over to the websters who put it into the CMS, i suspect that's going to change before long. Reporters will be putting their content directly into the CMS, and the process will be more integrated. Also, reporters who are blogging are already often posting their content into a CMS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t teach students how to use Dreamweaver, but do teach them basic HTML/CSS as a way to build a simple web page, then we spend part of the semester working with javascripts, optimizing images for web delivery, embedding maps and video, etc. and using blogging software.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot to cover out there, obviously, but I don&#8217;t want them tied to the software (DW) so much that they can&#8217;t look at a web site and figure out what&#8217;s going on under the hood.</p>
<p>As for what was mentioned earlier by someone about the reporters writing the story and then getting it over to the websters who put it into the CMS, i suspect that&#8217;s going to change before long. Reporters will be putting their content directly into the CMS, and the process will be more integrated. Also, reporters who are blogging are already often posting their content into a CMS.</p>
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		<title>By: Andria</title>
		<link>http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/journalists-html-and-dreamweaver/#comment-8084</link>
		<dc:creator>Andria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will remain forever thankful for Serena Fenton's class, "Visual communication and web design," through the UNC j-school's graduate certificate program.

She teaches theory and techniques as well as dipping into CSS only briefly.

Students learn why theory -- of color, of emotion, of eye-tracking, of marketing techniques like building personas -- is important.

And they learn how one can spend a lifetime, or at least several years, learning to do CSS or Flash right.

Then the students can choose where to dig and learn more deeply.

Her balance between theory and practice, and her willingness to learn new stuff with the students, was amazing.

Google her, or let me know if you want a sample syllabus.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will remain forever thankful for Serena Fenton&#8217;s class, &#8220;Visual communication and web design,&#8221; through the UNC j-school&#8217;s graduate certificate program.</p>
<p>She teaches theory and techniques as well as dipping into CSS only briefly.</p>
<p>Students learn why theory &#8212; of color, of emotion, of eye-tracking, of marketing techniques like building personas &#8212; is important.</p>
<p>And they learn how one can spend a lifetime, or at least several years, learning to do CSS or Flash right.</p>
<p>Then the students can choose where to dig and learn more deeply.</p>
<p>Her balance between theory and practice, and her willingness to learn new stuff with the students, was amazing.</p>
<p>Google her, or let me know if you want a sample syllabus.</p>
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