Comments on: We are not educators, and we long for the past http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/ Notes from the classroom and observations about today's practice of journalism online Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:49:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Sun Media tries to revive print as e-editions | Newslab.ca http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-12153 Sun Media tries to revive print as e-editions | Newslab.ca Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:01:04 +0000 http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-12153 [...] As others have pointed out, newspapers need to move beyond “imitating a dead format that most people find awkward and inconvenient”. [...] [...] As others have pointed out, newspapers need to move beyond “imitating a dead format that most people find awkward and inconvenient”. [...]

]]> By: Tor hates the internet » Uh oh – uh oh! Eww … not on the carpet. Bad electronics industry! Bad! http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-10117 Tor hates the internet » Uh oh – uh oh! Eww … not on the carpet. Bad electronics industry! Bad! Fri, 02 May 2008 06:33:41 +0000 http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-10117 [...] my reaction, I’d like to take the equally inemitable Mindy McAdams out of context from one of her life-affirming  “Oh crap, journalists are dinosaurs” posts. … one journalist stood up and asked when we will see the E Ink screens or display devices [...] [...] my reaction, I’d like to take the equally inemitable Mindy McAdams out of context from one of her life-affirming  “Oh crap, journalists are dinosaurs” posts. … one journalist stood up and asked when we will see the E Ink screens or display devices [...]

]]> By: The good and bad of broadsheet « News Crucible http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8455 The good and bad of broadsheet « News Crucible Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:30:38 +0000 http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8455 [...] her what a traditional broadsheet newspaper does, enable her to scan through its content? Clearly, many have missed her point in asking such a question. Surely this woman does not suggest that commuters [...] [...] her what a traditional broadsheet newspaper does, enable her to scan through its content? Clearly, many have missed her point in asking such a question. Surely this woman does not suggest that commuters [...]

]]> By: Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media » Friday squibs http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8388 Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media » Friday squibs Sat, 23 Feb 2008 06:34:30 +0000 http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8388 [...] We are not educators, and we long for the past. Mindy McAdams is puzzled by a couple of recent comments from journalists and I’m not sure which is worse: the journalists who insist educating the public is not their job or the journalist who wondered when e-paper would be available in broadsheet size. [...] [...] We are not educators, and we long for the past. Mindy McAdams is puzzled by a couple of recent comments from journalists and I’m not sure which is worse: the journalists who insist educating the public is not their job or the journalist who wondered when e-paper would be available in broadsheet size. [...]

]]> By: Mindy http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8383 Mindy Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:39:13 +0000 http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8383 <p>@Chris O'Brien: I had the sense that the journalists who objected to Jenkins's remarks felt as if he was trying to encourage them to act as educators, hence change their roles. What I heard him saying was: Explain better, and try some new things, and we readers will get more out of your journalism. But because he is an academic, he didn't say it like that (so I didn't use quotation marks), and the journalists took him for an ivory tower guy who doesn't get that journalism has a special place in the world that shall not be assailed by the likes of him -- a member of the public.</p> @Chris O’Brien: I had the sense that the journalists who objected to Jenkins’s remarks felt as if he was trying to encourage them to act as educators, hence change their roles. What I heard him saying was: Explain better, and try some new things, and we readers will get more out of your journalism. But because he is an academic, he didn’t say it like that (so I didn’t use quotation marks), and the journalists took him for an ivory tower guy who doesn’t get that journalism has a special place in the world that shall not be assailed by the likes of him — a member of the public.

]]> By: Martin Hirst http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8382 Martin Hirst Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:22:40 +0000 http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8382 Hi Mindy, I'm looking forward to meeting you non-virtually, but anyway. The education point is good. Of course good journalism is about education - telling people about the world so that they can navigate a way through all the B***LS###T. I go even further and suggest the point of educating people is so that they can intervene and actually change the world. A good scientific example is Global Warming. By educating the public and exposing the hypocrisy of the denial crowd perhaps there will be pressure to change how things are done. Of course, I take it to an extreme that frightens most conservatives - the point is to change the whole world. That's one reason why Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine is so refreshing -- a radical and thinking journalistic account of American history that compels you towards change. The alternative is barbarism -- and keeping people in the dark about that is a surefire way to ensure it comes about. Journalism has to be about freedom - of expression and action. M Hi Mindy, I’m looking forward to meeting you non-virtually, but anyway. The education point is good.
Of course good journalism is about education - telling people about the world so that they can navigate a way through all the B***LS###T.

I go even further and suggest the point of educating people is so that they can intervene and actually change the world.

A good scientific example is Global Warming. By educating the public and exposing the hypocrisy of the denial crowd perhaps there will be pressure to change how things are done.

Of course, I take it to an extreme that frightens most conservatives - the point is to change the whole world. That’s one reason why Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine is so refreshing — a radical and thinking journalistic account of American history that compels you towards change.

The alternative is barbarism — and keeping people in the dark about that is a surefire way to ensure it comes about.

Journalism has to be about freedom - of expression and action.

M

]]> By: A misguided approach to electronic paper « Reportr.net http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8380 A misguided approach to electronic paper « Reportr.net Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:52:13 +0000 http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8380 [...] Mindy McAdams, who was also speaking at the conference, put it: The journalist was thinking about imitating a dead format that most people find awkward and [...] [...] Mindy McAdams, who was also speaking at the conference, put it: The journalist was thinking about imitating a dead format that most people find awkward and [...]

]]> By: The Cusp of Relevance » Blog Archive » The Plan: Internet Jargon Rundown http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8379 The Cusp of Relevance » Blog Archive » The Plan: Internet Jargon Rundown Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:06:23 +0000 http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8379 [...] seeing in the blogs and that I see again today over at two of my faves as Pat Thornton expounds on a post by Mindy McAdams. I find myself wishing that my fellow aspiring journos would catch my passion for Web technologies [...] [...] seeing in the blogs and that I see again today over at two of my faves as Pat Thornton expounds on a post by Mindy McAdams. I find myself wishing that my fellow aspiring journos would catch my passion for Web technologies [...]

]]> By: Chris O'Brien http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8374 Chris O'Brien Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:31:09 +0000 http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8374 I'm baffled by the reaction to being labeled as "educational." In an era where so much reporting can be a commodity, one of the greatest skills and services a journalist can provide is to take a very complex subject and break it down and talk about it in a way an average person can understand. There's a whole category of Pulitzer Prizes dedicated to "Explanatory Journalism" for this very reason. As for the broadsheet comment: The image of someone walking around with an electronic gadget the size of 2 flat-screen computer monitors is, well, hilarious. I’m baffled by the reaction to being labeled as “educational.” In an era where so much reporting can be a commodity, one of the greatest skills and services a journalist can provide is to take a very complex subject and break it down and talk about it in a way an average person can understand. There’s a whole category of Pulitzer Prizes dedicated to “Explanatory Journalism” for this very reason.

As for the broadsheet comment: The image of someone walking around with an electronic gadget the size of 2 flat-screen computer monitors is, well, hilarious.

]]> By: cyndy green http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8371 cyndy green Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:24:13 +0000 http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2008/we-are-not-educators-and-we-long-for-the-past/#comment-8371 Hie thee back to Marshall McLuhan's The Media is a Message. Galloping forward into the past. Hi Ho Silver and away! Hie thee back to Marshall McLuhan’s The Media is a Message. Galloping forward into the past. Hi Ho Silver and away!

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